On 8/8/2013 8:37 AM, Shay wrote:
>> "Patrick Elliott"  wrote in message news:520332b1@news.povray.org...
>
> Just a general reply. Every anti-anti-authoritarian (make sure you read
> that one right) argument you give comes down to "It'll work if it's done
> right." The anti-authoritarian (Libertarian) view can be expressed
> semi-succinctly as "It's not being done right, or conscientiously. The
> government, military, and megacorps are three heads of the same beast.
> Feeding any of its thee mouth strengthens the entire animal. The beast
> cannot be controlled and has to die. I'm taking back what power I still
> have--while I still can."
>
> Also, read about Mercantilism on Wikipedia. We aren't talking about the
> same thing.

And, I think you are being naive, like most people that suscribe to 
their "vision", that you can kill the beast, instead of just breeding a 
new one. At the core, you will always get the same result, if you don't 
have someone making sure that megacorps don't form, or that the smaller 
ones band together, to control the government too, etc. The beast can 
get smaller, or bigger, but you don't kill it by someone deregulating 
everything, shutting down the government, getting rid of a military, and 
replacing it with 500 groups of thugs, instead of one, etc. You can, 
sometimes, keep it chained, but only if "people" are making the 
decisions, not amorphus entities (like legal entities, political 
parties, chains of command that can hide what they are doing from the 
public, etc.) Libertarians are not going to "fix" any of this, they are 
themselves a "political party", and, worse, some of their ideas about 
how reality works, tend to be naive as hell. (A big one is how they deny 
that inequities are inevitable, and that, short of some sort of a pure, 
and equality delusional, socialist redistribution, any such inequity 
**will** just breed a new beast, with new heads, like someone that 
thinks they have killed the hydra, but hasn't noticed that the heads are 
growing back.)

They don't see that, "taking back the power", they way they seem to want 
to do it, is strengthening some heads, even if it weakens others, and 
that, if anything, its making the things "less" controllable. I 
completely understand what they think they are doing, what they want to 
do, etc. I even, in principle, agree with much of it, but, they don't 
have the slightest damn clue how to get there, and what ideas they do 
have, often, have been tried before, even if, like a communist, arguing 
that no one has ever really "tried it", they can't see why it never has 
actually, ever, been truly tried. The reason being - the world can't 
work they way they want it to, there are too many things that get in the 
way, in the process, which will hurt real people, to do so, and then, 
there is no certainty, at all, that the result isn't going to, almost 
immediately, degenerate into the same thing, all over again. And, its 
the "how many people will get hurt" things that is the biggest problem, 
for anyone with the slightest scrap of compassion, and the key reason 
why their views are so often describes as, "I have mine, fuck you."

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